tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4384856123558926763.post6872542659986047579..comments2023-07-11T09:57:54.828-03:00Comments on BEST FIGHTER FOR CANADA: Fighter Jet Fight Club: F-35 vs. Silent Eagle!Doug Allenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10504832466775445050noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4384856123558926763.post-79336390591938760702014-07-30T19:45:07.517-03:002014-07-30T19:45:07.517-03:00I do not think Canada is interested, or, ever was ...I do not think Canada is interested, or, ever was interested, in a true interceptor. We found an affordable aircraft that allowed us to meet our NATO obligations, slap 3 drop tanks, and say hello to Bears.Doug Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504832466775445050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4384856123558926763.post-770399137079987272014-07-30T02:16:30.727-03:002014-07-30T02:16:30.727-03:00I do not think it's too much aircraft either F...I do not think it's too much aircraft either Fighter Jack. But clearly those running the RCAF and the politicos likely do. It's small time thinking if you ask me. Canada as a 1st world country, rich in resources and industry with a large land mass, 3 ocean fronts, should actually find it easy to justify a F-15 type aircraft. Obviously not every RCAF plane could be an F-15 type but certainly some can be for the purposes of interception and even deep strike.Doug Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504832466775445050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4384856123558926763.post-16367592007910581712014-07-29T22:48:44.821-03:002014-07-29T22:48:44.821-03:00It would not be "too much aircraft" when...It would not be "too much aircraft" when there is global destabilization, vast territory to defend and challenges to arctic sovereignty. With renewed Russian aggression, Canada needs a large, intimidating fighter jet brimming with sensors, weapons, with no performance compromises. It already costs less than the F-35 to buy and operate. If costs (compared to even smaller, cheaper fighters) are dominating the media, then what is the cost of another country successfully laying claim to our territory or our waters. It would be humiliating. <br /><br />BTW, when are we going to see the Rhino go head-to-head with the Silent Eagle!?Doug Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504832466775445050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4384856123558926763.post-80030192099782351232014-07-29T21:32:43.297-03:002014-07-29T21:32:43.297-03:00GE has designed the F110-132 to be installed into ...GE has designed the F110-132 to be installed into the F-16E/F or F-15E and its variants. The big question is if installed on the F-15, will it generate 32,000 Ibs. of thrust with no modifications to air intakes? The F-15 cruises at 570 mph or less for endurance. Punching it to supercruise (1.0 to 1.4) would need clean configuration at 32,000 feet or more (no weapons on wing stations) but with conformal modules installed. It could do this on high levels of dry thrust but it's a bit hard on the engines (regardless of what engine is installed) and you need a good set of engines before entering a fight. Waiting for further technological improvements for engine durability would be preferable.Doug Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504832466775445050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4384856123558926763.post-10728745055559189042014-07-29T17:46:49.337-03:002014-07-29T17:46:49.337-03:00I know what you mean. The F-15E is my favorite air...I know what you mean. The F-15E is my favorite aircraft. But we passed on it. This F-35 smells of politics, bad politics. Doug Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504832466775445050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4384856123558926763.post-5951668476433967242014-07-29T09:42:29.119-03:002014-07-29T09:42:29.119-03:00The F-15's shape is optimized for transonic pe...The F-15's shape is optimized for transonic performance. I think it would take nothing less than re-engine to make it "officially" supercruise.<br /><br /><br />Unofficially... I'm sure it can already. Their seems to be some disparity over what "supercruise" actually means. Most think it simply means mach 1+ without afterburners. Others (like LockMart) think it should mean M1.4+, since this rules out everything except the F-22.Doug Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504832466775445050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4384856123558926763.post-83300832914156265162014-07-28T23:39:59.291-03:002014-07-28T23:39:59.291-03:00Does anyone know if the F-15SE with conformal weap...Does anyone know if the F-15SE with conformal weapons add-ons can super-cruise?Doug Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504832466775445050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4384856123558926763.post-79523971248869640922014-07-28T23:38:25.145-03:002014-07-28T23:38:25.145-03:00The F-15SE if outfitted with 132 engines and the o...The F-15SE if outfitted with 132 engines and the other systems you mentioned would be a absolute beast of an aircraft. Probably to much aircraft for the the RCAF, at least with their current mentality. Operating out of Cold lake or Bagotville would not be an issue, but deployment to small air fields and frozen ones could be. The only scenario I see Canada operating 15's in, is a hi/lo where 80% of the aircraft are not 15's.Doug Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504832466775445050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4384856123558926763.post-72531215736525426652014-07-28T23:33:07.101-03:002014-07-28T23:33:07.101-03:00I was just responding to fighter jack comment abou...I was just responding to fighter jack comment about mixed fleet and SE being the big dog.Doug Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504832466775445050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4384856123558926763.post-66398501227428962562014-07-28T23:30:46.716-03:002014-07-28T23:30:46.716-03:00Love the F15 as an aircraft, a pure predator when ...Love the F15 as an aircraft, a pure predator when outfitted properly. However, I would agree with you and SuperRhino. The latest ASH F-18 especially if it's up-engined with EPEs is more than enough plane for the RCAF.Doug Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504832466775445050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4384856123558926763.post-28723676250195187672014-07-28T19:24:32.474-03:002014-07-28T19:24:32.474-03:00I find it disappointing that there is nothing in t...I find it disappointing that there is nothing in the news about the government considering F-15SE or F-15E as a competitive choice for Canada. It has everything: the speed, the sensors and the range to protect our vast territory. Do you want to try to intercept or chase something with an F-35? Will you get there in time? If you get hit by something big like a missile (not a bird), which plane is going to give you some chance to limp the aircraft back to base? Boeing's best bid should include modifications such as F110-132 engines rated at 32500 Ibs thrust, rugged landing gear, APG-82 radar, the best IRST available, HMD, switchable conformal tanks and weapon bays.Doug Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504832466775445050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4384856123558926763.post-89184583647602725712014-07-28T19:10:28.726-03:002014-07-28T19:10:28.726-03:00That's not true. Similar to the F-15 which al...That's not true. Similar to the F-15 which also started out as a "not a pound for air to ground" interceptor, the MiG-31 has evolved to become multi-role.Doug Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504832466775445050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4384856123558926763.post-14310620917756694102014-07-28T17:30:16.171-03:002014-07-28T17:30:16.171-03:00MIG is a pure interceptor that the Russian are goi...MIG is a pure interceptor that the Russian are going to replace.Doug Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504832466775445050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4384856123558926763.post-49511103788589954932014-07-28T11:55:16.454-03:002014-07-28T11:55:16.454-03:00Compare what?
Better to compare the advanced Supe...Compare what? <br />Better to compare the advanced Super Hornet/Growler with the F-35,Typhoon Rafale or Silent Eagle.Doug Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504832466775445050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4384856123558926763.post-83177386355646702322014-07-28T09:25:20.790-03:002014-07-28T09:25:20.790-03:00Let's try and keep discussion focused on the S...Let's try and keep discussion focused on the Silent Eagle and F-35.<br /><br /><br />There will be plenty of time to compare the Gripen and Super Hornet in the near future (hint, hint!)Doug Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504832466775445050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4384856123558926763.post-13378580989916282272014-07-28T04:34:18.467-03:002014-07-28T04:34:18.467-03:00It's not only about engines. Gripen has very g...It's not only about engines. Gripen has very good aerodynamics and extremely low drag. The F18 on the other hand has a lot of drag (air resistance).<br /> This is why the Gripen C has such good performance despite a comparatively low thrust to weight. <br /><br />High drag is one of the reasons I'm not a huge fan of the F18 or the F35. In my opinion aircraft should be slender and "sail well". Like the Spitfire.Doug Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504832466775445050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4384856123558926763.post-10980426437214943722014-07-28T04:15:14.576-03:002014-07-28T04:15:14.576-03:00If you're going to throw Russian fighters like...If you're going to throw Russian fighters like SU-35 into the mix, then the MiG-31 is much much faster than the F-15.Doug Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504832466775445050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4384856123558926763.post-15208761603621346732014-07-28T01:01:04.270-03:002014-07-28T01:01:04.270-03:00Not really a surprise when you compare the F-15SE ...Not really a surprise when you compare the F-15SE vs the F-35A. For all the discussion about the op cost for the F-15SE it looks like a cheap date compared to the F-35A. While the 15SE may have minimal stealth it brings so many other capabilities to the table.<br />The question I want to ask is when will someone try to integrate more "Growler like" features into the 15 platform much like the ASH F-18 "hybrid" approach. That's when I think things get really interesting for the 15 platform future.Doug Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504832466775445050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4384856123558926763.post-30979897251136437592014-07-27T20:48:10.634-03:002014-07-27T20:48:10.634-03:00Use your Troll magic card for yourself. I'm no...Use your Troll magic card for yourself. I'm not the first one who mentioned the Advanced Super Hornet in this topic.Doug Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504832466775445050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4384856123558926763.post-29233995029604736242014-07-27T19:45:21.747-03:002014-07-27T19:45:21.747-03:00Maybe it is time for Doug to introduce a Troll war...Maybe it is time for Doug to introduce a Troll warning?<br /><br />As this thread is about F-35 and E-15SE and not any existing or possible future versions of the Hornet family it is ok to only handle the included aircrafts otherwise there also exists other aircraft that could be considered with/against the Hornets so to say.<br /><br />Don't forget the rules.Doug Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504832466775445050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4384856123558926763.post-10467499669393766322014-07-27T18:13:57.217-03:002014-07-27T18:13:57.217-03:00The super hornet uses the same engines as the Grip...The super hornet uses the same engines as the Gripen, so with a bit of work you would think that the SH could have this feature.Doug Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504832466775445050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4384856123558926763.post-90225543833592076762014-07-27T16:01:48.995-03:002014-07-27T16:01:48.995-03:00Just to add one point not considered in the analis...Just to add one point not considered in the analisys.The Stealth advanced Super Hornet with its reinforced landing gear and big fligh controls can take off and landing in very short airfields in the windy and icy North, this is a condition that the F-35A and Silent Eagle don't have. Also they don;t have electronic attack capability. F-35 is just the totally wrong version of the Advanced Super Hornet and the Silent Eagle is a 20% faster, more expensive and less stealthy version of the Advanced Super Hornet with 20%more powerfull engines.<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SQb2dMfXHgDoug Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504832466775445050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4384856123558926763.post-66567345850030408872014-07-27T16:00:44.922-03:002014-07-27T16:00:44.922-03:00Super cruise is not only about getting somewhere f...Super cruise is not only about getting somewhere fast (or running away).<br /><br />The weapons from a super cruising fighter will travel further and faster and are thus deadlier. <br /><br />http://defenseissues.wordpress.com/2014/07/05/supercruise/Doug Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504832466775445050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4384856123558926763.post-61020004374016602932014-07-27T14:58:01.834-03:002014-07-27T14:58:01.834-03:00Sorry, was not clear. SE eagle performance has alr...Sorry, was not clear. SE eagle performance has already been ignored by Canada. I would pick ASH because of Growler commonality. SH is already past.Doug Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504832466775445050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4384856123558926763.post-34211677091039333202014-07-27T11:08:55.986-03:002014-07-27T11:08:55.986-03:00I thought the there were no F22's in Lybia bec...I thought the there were no F22's in Lybia because they are too expensive to loose one.Doug Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504832466775445050noreply@blogger.com