tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4384856123558926763.post3963415196965868047..comments2023-07-11T09:57:54.828-03:00Comments on BEST FIGHTER FOR CANADA: Educated guess: Russian Mistrals may sink the Canadian RafaleDoug Allenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10504832466775445050noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4384856123558926763.post-37680593017343107992014-08-08T11:36:25.185-03:002014-08-08T11:36:25.185-03:00By the way, one of the "less rational" r...By the way, one of the "less rational" reasons why I am supporting the Gripen, is, like you, I cheer for the underdog. Although I think it is an excellent aircraft, I am a teacher and by nature I have this thing about elitism and bullies and believe in giving every contender a fair shake. And good for you for what you did for your local brewer. So many people talk and do nothing. I will go seek a Belgium beer this weekend to toast your community! :)Doug Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504832466775445050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4384856123558926763.post-32390128274570037212014-08-08T11:32:36.841-03:002014-08-08T11:32:36.841-03:00I do not think you will be able to do anything on ...I do not think you will be able to do anything on the SH americans do not allow for it you can request things but even if you pay for it there is not necessary what the Americans want. Upgrades is only what the Americans want to have and with luck it is what Canada want also.Doug Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504832466775445050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4384856123558926763.post-68577345557687381392014-08-08T11:29:30.646-03:002014-08-08T11:29:30.646-03:00Yup. You are also correct. 90% of the work with 50...Yup. You are also correct. 90% of the work with 50% of the cost. Why buy a delicate Ferrari when you can buy a robust MAZDA 3 speed at a 1/10 of the price, remove the speed regulator, and say hello to St-Peter at the pearly gates.Doug Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504832466775445050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4384856123558926763.post-52190093961878501212014-08-08T11:25:16.202-03:002014-08-08T11:25:16.202-03:00Yup. You are correct. Hence, my personal preferenc...Yup. You are correct. Hence, my personal preference for the Gripen. I have no bias.Doug Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504832466775445050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4384856123558926763.post-9330262611184014972014-08-08T11:11:18.641-03:002014-08-08T11:11:18.641-03:00Exactly, Paul.
Unlike the F-35, on which everythi...Exactly, Paul. <br />Unlike the F-35, on which everything will be under strict control of LM, the Super Hornet, the Rafale, the Gripen will be totally adaptable to the buyer's wishes (at least that's what I can conclude from the comments on Doug's site). Food for thought, isn't it ?Doug Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504832466775445050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4384856123558926763.post-70109752608717031662014-08-08T10:49:53.911-03:002014-08-08T10:49:53.911-03:00Within reason. Within reason. Doug Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504832466775445050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4384856123558926763.post-77769815278240549632014-08-08T06:06:11.893-03:002014-08-08T06:06:11.893-03:00The Rafale is a better choice than the Typhoon (wh...The Rafale is a better choice than the Typhoon (which Doug seems to prefer). Cheaper to operate with an industrial structure more efficient than the mess behind the Typhoon.Doug Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504832466775445050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4384856123558926763.post-41287119999682572502014-08-08T03:48:00.951-03:002014-08-08T03:48:00.951-03:00You right. The RCN was looking at the Iver Huitfe...You right. The RCN was looking at the Iver Huitfeldt classDoug Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504832466775445050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4384856123558926763.post-26130985557030559032014-08-08T03:42:28.818-03:002014-08-08T03:42:28.818-03:00http://www.casr.ca/mp-dorschner-rcn-absalon-ddh.ht...http://www.casr.ca/mp-dorschner-rcn-absalon-ddh.htmDoug Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504832466775445050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4384856123558926763.post-69779387026092347452014-08-08T02:36:20.051-03:002014-08-08T02:36:20.051-03:00I'm sure the "De Zeven Provinciën" f...I'm sure the "De Zeven Provinciën" frigates are Dutch.<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HNLMS_De_Zeven_Provinci%C3%ABn_%28F802%29Doug Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504832466775445050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4384856123558926763.post-8379661072856626562014-08-08T01:13:26.120-03:002014-08-08T01:13:26.120-03:00As there has been some talk about ships in this th...As there has been some talk about ships in this thread maybe the comparison about the Canadian Air Force and Navy philosophy can be mentioned here. Quote "Faced with delays and restrictions from the International Traffic in Arms Regulations, the Navy has opted to modernize the Halifax class using as much non-American equipment as possible, including technology from Canada, Sweden, Germany, Netherlands and Israel." from Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halifax-class_frigate It seems that the navy happily uses non-american equipment even if LM is in charge of the upgrade. There is a lot of Saab key-components installed in the Hallifax class upgrade it seems that they know what they are doing and are leading the race.Doug Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504832466775445050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4384856123558926763.post-88095776648546506402014-08-07T23:01:14.049-03:002014-08-07T23:01:14.049-03:00If it is the De Zeven Provinciën-class frigates, i...If it is the De Zeven Provinciën-class frigates, it is armed to the teeth.Doug Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504832466775445050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4384856123558926763.post-20746612216518606102014-08-07T22:58:04.387-03:002014-08-07T22:58:04.387-03:00The Antonio Class with its 2 mk 41 VLS + the rolli...The Antonio Class with its 2 mk 41 VLS + the rolling air missile launchers + 4 chopper bay is some serious firepower... what is the little cheaper brother?Doug Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504832466775445050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4384856123558926763.post-41239364577100831882014-08-07T22:45:01.782-03:002014-08-07T22:45:01.782-03:00Doug the Rafale is still my favourite, but I agree...Doug the Rafale is still my favourite, but I agree that it is a bit of a long shot. But this would be the only time that I can think of where the Rafale has a shot, because the future of US air superiority sucks. And the production lines of the other two US fighters are coming to an end.Doug Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504832466775445050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4384856123558926763.post-56468467497049180782014-08-07T22:39:56.766-03:002014-08-07T22:39:56.766-03:00No no! Maybe one or two Absalon class and the rest...No no! Maybe one or two Absalon class and the rest would be destroyers. Anyway they are looking at a design that is similar to the Absalon's little cheaper brother as the model for the destroyer.Doug Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504832466775445050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4384856123558926763.post-84590976257061172772014-08-07T22:37:03.105-03:002014-08-07T22:37:03.105-03:00They would not buy off the US if the item was so c...They would not buy off the US if the item was so crappy that they couldn't. The F-35 is a crappy tactical fighter, maybe ok attach plane, better electronic warfare plane. Good thing there are a few other choices. I do agree that they would buy from the US first.Doug Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504832466775445050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4384856123558926763.post-10868290249291339172014-08-07T17:46:07.902-03:002014-08-07T17:46:07.902-03:00Technology sometimes and a lot of times gets in th...Technology sometimes and a lot of times gets in the way.<br />A fighter jet needs to have wings, a tail, gun, a jet, and some missiles.<br />A War ship needs to float, have a propeller, gun and some missiles.<br />A go get them!Doug Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504832466775445050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4384856123558926763.post-35011629040601399072014-08-07T17:31:03.856-03:002014-08-07T17:31:03.856-03:00Looks like San Antonio class has the same virus as...Looks like San Antonio class has the same virus as F-35. Lots of problems.Doug Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504832466775445050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4384856123558926763.post-54903052659536339662014-08-07T15:51:00.504-03:002014-08-07T15:51:00.504-03:00Jumping jiminy crickets! Both are really nice mach...Jumping jiminy crickets! Both are really nice machines. 15 of these? Maybe 15 Absalon at 300 million, but not San Antonio at 1.5 billion. Maybe or mix or just two San As and keep upgraded Halifax class. <br />Tha Absalon are based on frigs and classed as support and weigh like destroyer. The San A is armed to the teeth.<br /><br />I now understand your interest in the mistral. I openly apologize. <br /><br /><br />But they are not well armed. The other two are and the Americans might let us change our order if we get 2 San Antonio class vessels.Doug Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504832466775445050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4384856123558926763.post-1637156132765976562014-08-07T13:59:54.437-03:002014-08-07T13:59:54.437-03:00Paul, if you were correct on this one, I would toa...Paul, if you were correct on this one, I would toast you as I am a firm supporter of local assembly/autonomy because the total acquired knowledge is sometimes worth the higher initial cost.Doug Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504832466775445050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4384856123558926763.post-91154938595033048862014-08-07T13:59:38.945-03:002014-08-07T13:59:38.945-03:00I knew they upgraded the frigs and thought the nex...I knew they upgraded the frigs and thought the next 15 were going to be frigs as well. Wow. I got some reading to do. Will look into both of these classes. Gracious!Doug Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504832466775445050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4384856123558926763.post-89850959568738628252014-08-07T13:58:21.765-03:002014-08-07T13:58:21.765-03:004 things: 1) I love what they call micro-breweries...4 things: 1) I love what they call micro-breweries, artisan like beers. I often chose these beers over wine because I have a tendency to get tipsy/hammered on wine because of the higher % of alcohol. 2) I must agree with you on the strong American influence but I hesitate to call them bullies because all nations are capable of the same behavior if given the chance. 3) May I ask where you are from as I am curious by nature? 4) A thanks to Doug for providing such an excellently organized and informative medium for people to share a wholesome passion. I sincerely wish we could share a least one beer to add to this great atmosphere.Doug Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504832466775445050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4384856123558926763.post-76430218962032217612014-08-07T10:13:48.887-03:002014-08-07T10:13:48.887-03:00They are planning 15 new destroyers. One Mistral ...They are planning 15 new destroyers. One Mistral class would be great at a discount, but I think Canada might be better served with a Absalon Class or San Antonio Class ship. Doug Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504832466775445050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4384856123558926763.post-26735868223503147222014-08-07T10:06:00.079-03:002014-08-07T10:06:00.079-03:00France does and alway has sold there weapons to an...France does and alway has sold there weapons to anyone. I'm not sure if that has ever come back to bit them.Doug Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504832466775445050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4384856123558926763.post-28436838221852652112014-08-07T10:01:27.332-03:002014-08-07T10:01:27.332-03:00Harper would buy Rafales and have them assembled i...Harper would buy Rafales and have them assembled in Quebec to gain the vote. Remember sitting in office means keeping you party in power (first) and the good of the country (second) and sometimes it is even. This is why I say during peacetime there are a lot of factors to this purchase and in war time it is less so.Doug Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504832466775445050noreply@blogger.com